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Greetings fellow PRIMEates, ;))
Not so much Guinea pigs but needing test pilots for my new "vehicle"
I have tried E-prime and was very impresed with it. I gave it up for a good amount of time. Just recently with issues of web boards being infected by trolls and drama kings, queens
I decided that I needed a dfferent tact than what I had been doing. I recalled the
value of Eprime but knew that I could not apply that to group. Most common Proles are
not able to think in those terms. So, I set out on the march to create a parallel system
for the common featherless biped.
Wow, discoveries of discoveries. I found out how simplistically E-Prime is shaped , how much it accomplishes in short form.
It has its falings, but it opens the mind to new horizons.
On my quest I came up with a new system. vEry thorough and complex. I intended it
to be half a page, it became a thesis of six pages.
If anyone is willing to try this method, I would be A) greatful, B) confident you will find it
to be a mind altering and expanding experience.
As I said, I need test pilots for this project so I can see what objective people think.
Who is up for this.??
Blessings
Randy
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Sat, March 14, 2009 - 2:13 PMI'm very curious about what you have...
I'm not sure I'll have much time to give you insightful feedback, but I'd be interested to read your it.
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Sat, March 14, 2009 - 2:29 PMI'm open to the idea. What does participating entail?
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Tue, May 12, 2009 - 4:35 PMHi, I'm interested. How do we find out more?
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 5:46 PM
Sorry friends for my absence. What is the rule about posting 'cuss' words?
My article/experiement has cuss words that can not be removed.
I look forward to anyone's participation, not for my benefit but for your experience and
hopefully sharing with me. For one thing to confirm what I have experienced, as I am not sure that it was really the result of my learnings.
If anyone can let me know about the cuss word issue, thanks.
Randy -
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 6:59 PMHere is what there is without the -naughty- bits
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These are the principles for peace through speech, or whatever other purpose you could come up with.
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The current clusters and population of Earth are often referred to as culture, humanity, and civilization, but to look at the way some people interact; humane, civil and cultured would never be a word a sane person would assign to these groups.
Here are some experimental attempts at smoothing relations with conflict addictive persons.
Practice the following technique and see what you learn about communication and human interaction and human foibles.
Take one of the following methods, memorize it and practice it for a day, then take a *short* break, then practice it for several days.
After another break attempt the practice for a week, then take a short break. Each time journaling notes about your insights, new words that mollify tensions, expedite understanding, heighten task completion.
I implore you to Retain what you learn, invent from the learning a style of your own that helps *you* become more successful in your relations.
NOW, go to it.
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Lesson one: General semantics and E-Prime.
Per Korzybski: eliminate the word “I” and any and all forms of the verb “to be”.
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Once finishing with the first lesson; which means that you go through several periods of practicing focus and restraint intermissioned by non-practice all the whilst maintaining a simple journal to notice and note how your success changes while you are using the discipline and when you are not. You will also note how people respond differently to you while you use the discipline and when you don’t. Note your increase or decrease in ability to convey meaning, to clearly GROK and BE GROKKED by others; also note with each of these lessons, your ability levels of being persuasive. ;)
I look forward to seeing your enthusiasm at higher levels of success. I look forward to hearing you are crafting new rules for human interaction and gaining new insights into the human condition and human nature.
Tally ho and happy journeys.
Lesson: one “B”
Trouble makers:
“Is” is one of those magic trouble making words. The reason is that it is a word that signals that someone, something, some group, some behavior is being labeled or defined.
Other tenses are “are”, “was”, “am”.
-He is-, -I am-, -He was-, -I was-,-You are-;
-_ think, -_ know-, -_ believe-,
All these are precursors of *possible* ad hominem fallacies. So it is defining the speaker/author or the person or persons being spoken about or spoken to.
Defining is one of the most insidious of behaviors because it is hardwired into the brain’s very make up. The brain works not by perceiving a thing as the ‘thing itself, but as an association to some concept. An example would be if introduced to a new fruit an experiencer’s first reaction is suspicion, disgust and dislike. When it (the alien fruit) is explained to him as a sort or purple apple, he at first will eat and like and from then on speak of it as “a purple apple thing”, that is until he learns to speak of it as “the Almost always such statements are false to fact (lies & misstatements) or inflammatory remarks or on the slippery slope of becoming inflammatory.
Take note of words such as “selfish”, “selfless”.
The words ‘is” and forms of ‘to be’ are powerful ways to make quick and unqualified unification of two unrelating things, such as ie. Joe is a murderer. (Joe recently was forced to lay off some employees, one of whom was caretaking their own mother. Without said job they were driven to make some hard choices about living arrangements, and self-support; mom got sick and died as an direct result of the employment termination.
In our example, if a listener heard the statement ‘Joe is a murderer’ and knew the background, their mind fills in the gaps and segues leaping to the conclusion that the statement had merit. Such equation fallacies, of making one thing or person or group into some category –uncategorically- has been done throughout history to promote all manner of atrocities. Eschew for a while, during this lesson, making this equation fallacies of simply labeling one things as another and see how it cleans and clears up your own thinking and logical fallacies you are prone to.
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Lesson two:
From your speech eliminate the words and the attitudes of “I” or “others” -)> should, should have, would have, could have.
Eliminate the Must, shouldda, wouldda, couldda formulas.
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Lesson three: The catastrophe of the apostrophe.
The Apostrophe
You should use an apostrophe to form the possessive case of a noun or to show that you have left out letters in a contraction. Note that you should not generally use contractions in formal, academic writing.
The convertible's engine has finally died. (The noun "convertible's" is in the possessive case)
I haven't seen my roommate for two weeks. (The verb "haven't" is a contraction of "have not")
To form the possessive of a plural noun ending in "s," simply place an apostrophe after the "s."
He has his three sons' futures in mind.
In many suburbs, the houses' designs are too much alike.
Possessive pronouns -- for example, "hers," "yours," and "theirs" -- do not take apostrophes. This is the case for the possessive pronoun "its" as well: when you write "it's" with an apostrophe, you are writing a contraction for "it is."
The spaceship landed hard, damaging its radar receiver. ("its" is the possessive pronoun)
It's your mother on the phone. ("it's" is the contraction of "it is") Written by Frances Peck
A noun is a word used to name a person, animal, place, thing, and abstract idea. Nouns are usually the first words which small children learn. The highlighted words in the following sentences are all nouns:
Late last year our neighbours bought a goat.
Portia White was an opera singer.
The bus inspector looked at all the passengers' passes.
Or words such as engineer can have apostrophe “s” added to indicate the possessions of the person of the engineer.
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Now that the proper use of the apostrophe has been explained, we press forward to the exercise.
Any time an apostrophe is used, or any of the words of which apostrophes are constructed are used, check your sentence and language for hostile, blaming, pity/sympathy seeking behavior or constricted thinking.
EXAMPLE: words that use apostrophes are “is not”= “isn’t”, “can not”=”can’t”, “hasn’t”=”has not”
Therefore words such as “is”, “has”, “was”, “can”, ”could”, “should”, “would”, “must” & “must not”, “it”, and “not” are all indicators to be on the look out for :::::> hostile, blaming, pity/sympathy seeking behavior or constricted thinking.
Also any sentence that assert that a person owns something, someone caution is advised.
Seek to see how pausing and having introspection would using words like “person’s” and “one’s” to indicate possession seeking to see what insights reviewing these policies and practices of speech inform you to see anew.
In addition, cases such as “ITS” where there is the possessive intended, also exercise care and caution.
Example: The spaceship landed hard, damaging its radar receiver.
In this case, would the spaceship feel upset with you if you removed ‘its’ radar receiver?; or is a spaceship an inanimate object that does not possess or own anything. It may seem trivial, but to some small or great degree these ideas are hardwired into language and anthropomorphism and personification is also something that humans do automatically without referring to their ration brain to determine the falsity or verity to fact of a matter.
- How many times have you heard someone say; “don’t hurt the car.’? Or some similar concept of the identity and personality of inanimate objects.
“This computer hates me”? is one I hear around my office very commonly
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This lesson three in the latter stages results usually in a more prudent use of words and attitudes of “should”, “shouldn’t”, “should have”, “would”, “wouldn’t”, “would have”, ”could have”, “can not”, the stubborn “I won’t” becomes more often the “I(or we) choose not to”.
Phrases such as “he has not(hasn’t) a clue” become harder to let tumble from one’s lips by accident.
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Lesson four:
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Five: The HOOK: (hook: what a question mark looks like)
Any time that you find you are beginning a question look at your words to see if you are saying something like “She is going to the concert??”, is the sentence formed in the nature of a statement or a question? Do this and it will avoid confusion to your listener or reader.
Anytime you are using a sentence that is a question (?) ask yourself “why am I asking this question?”, “Am I seeking the answer to a question that I could inform myself of, such as the time; where I could look up and check the time faster than my listener would do for me? Could I answer the question myself just as easily?” “Am I asking this question to put the other person on the defensive?”
Follow the rule, don’t have someone else do for you what you can do for yourself with the same effort.
Ask yourself is my asking the question serving to inform me for some practical purpose or is it an intrusive, imposition to them?
Ask yourself of your motive when you ask a question.
Ask yourself if you are trying to find fault with the defending person, or if you are seeking information to incriminate or accuse with, or put them ‘on notice’.
These practices can find diseases of attitude and perspective that may infect the mind & heart.
After this lesson, state in your journal what insights this method derives for you.
"asking" questions in a
way which implies an answer which is NOT true.
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Lesson six:
Word cut and extremist thinking.
Brief, quite, want (signals desire yet also lack), sentences like “I want in the worst way” are ill considered. (says two things; one you crave, two you lack, three you seek a worst condition scenario as a final aim.)
Words like “I”, “They” proceed most false to fact statements & also muddle the conversation.
Evade these unless you are using them in an aim of pure motives: Selfish, selfless, Hate, love, Never, always, so, too, much, only, just, such, but, because, made, make, want, won’t, can’t, impossible,
Per Napoleon, scratch the words ‘can’t’ and “impossible’ from your thinking, speech and your vocabulary.
After your sessions of abstinence, do not cease using the censored words, just realize that the words have their place and times and verbiage where use is counterproductive and time that are appropriate.
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Lesson seven:
The redirect-
When you have begun a sentence that is coarse and of hazardous thinking, you still can fix it with words being shoe-horned in such as: SEEMS, yet, “at least that is the way I feel sometimes”, “It seems to me that way sometimes”,
“At least”, “-You can be such a jerk- (the save) if you really put your mind to it.”, “I am such a –F-Up, or rather, I was that way I was before I worked on my issues.”.
Replace the comment “you are (a) liar/lying” with “you are saying untrue things”, “your reasoning and statements are fallacious”.
Seek to use “I” statements rather than accuse or label the other person. Make claims such as; “I” feel offended by those types of remarks. See how this mollifies arguments and make some journal observation of what you can do in your attitudes, thinking patterns and behaviors to improve your experience and outcomes.
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Lesson eight:
Eliminate attention seeking converse such as drives for the purpose of pity, sympathy, shame, symbolic victory, approval seeking, praise seeking and the blame game, or
accusing, demeaning, words like cunt, bitch, asshole, ass,
Blame game also includes: “he made me”, “if they hadn’t done so-and-so I would not have had to do such-n-such”
Other words like must, duty, obligated, should, have to, need to, you need, I need,
An acceptable substitute is “choose”, “chosen” or “choice”.
Put into your vocabulary exceedingly useful words like “No” and “I will be glad to . . . when you -)>”, which is a powerful way to say yes while brokering an inescapable deal.
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Lesson TEN:
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Daisetsu Teitaro Suzuki (1870-1966)
"The Basis of Buddhist Philosophy"
Understanding Mysticism, 1980
edited by Richard Woods
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words are too weak to communicate the lessons, uses and ways of true
power, so we must use metaphors. metaphors take the meaning past
your reason and directly to your true self. see what people are
saying rather than the words they choose, because whether they know
it or not, when they speak of power, the meaning may reveal
something different than their words.
Knowledge is an association, All knowledges are associations, associations and correspondences. Thought is the process of associations. Memory?? Life is the association of spirit and matter, or male and female, or beast & need fulfilled, ie, assimilation, digestion, hunt, kill, eat, sex, procreate.
Ego is an association of identity with body, or even with cravings, or ideals.
Corruption is merely an association that is rigidified and inflexible, unresponsive to change and environment.
peace and wisdom,
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Let me illustrate by my personal experience.
In senior High School in science lab the teacher asked us to answer a pop quiz of only one question. Many of the students labored with the calculation for nearly 30 minutes. When the papers were graded the only one who had passed was one lazy student who spent 4 minutes filling in his paper.
All he wrote was, “To find the Average measurement of the experiment first you have to tell us what idea of average you are looking for since there are three kinds.”
All the other bright students failed because they were too bright, assuming with preconceptions what was meant.
If a reader wants to understand the written piece, he/she must know the context of the area, people, events, king, and who the writer is (like a poet or a chronicler), then also knowing the exegesis of the word (the origins in Hebrew, Greek , Aramaic, Chaldean, Japanese, English, American, Spanish (español or castellano, Castilian), Mexican Spanish (español mexicano), Chinese: Mandarin or Cantonese; it all depends on the person speaking the language, their proficiency and personal experience which colors their word choices.
All these kinds of *errors* and contradictions can be found that make the conversation or written piece invalid and worthless in the eyes of the listener or reader in retrospect.
It helps understand why the rune was used to communicate with you. and I think
it identifies a source of where the flow is coming from to help with the
interpretation.
A good linguistic example is why some slang or colloquies are used in language. If you understand that the interpretation is from an English person
rather than an American, you would understand what a biscuit or a crisp is in
the interpretation (a biscuit in England is a cookie and a crisp is a potato
chip - likewise a chip is a French fry in England). So using this example if
you asked a question like "what should I eat for a snack" and said: from the
Englishman I pull - biscuit. Then you would know to grab a cookie and not a
sourdough roll. Because the universe is suggesting you eat a cookie and you
asked the Englishman "spirit" for guidance.
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 4:35 PMI like your stuff, Randy, but found myself highly distracted by the proliferation of the verb 'to be' in your instructions.
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 12:51 PMGrins... IF people would learn to actually believe that "The map is not the territory, the word is not the thing it describes." we would be off to a pretty good start.... -
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Re: Seeking Guinea Pig/Humans or lab subjects
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 7:59 PM
I believe you really hit the snail on the head.
Randy
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